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Friday Staff Survey: Queering Animals Edition

9 April 2010, 12:00 pm 2 Comments
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Illustration by TNG's Kat.

The New York Times Sunday Magazine featured a story on 4/4/10 on the shocking recent discovery that there is a lot of same-sex coupling going on in the animal kingdom.  Conservatives condemn gay sex as “unnatural” until we find it occurring naturally in other species.  Then they say that animals can also be cannibalistic (rival chimpanzee gangs often eat their rivals infants) or just outright gross (gorillas throwing their feces at one another), and that we should rise above the natural order of animals.  While we already know what TNG’s Topher Burns thinks on the matter, what do you think about the prevalence of naturally occurring gay sex in the animal kingdom?


Andrew D – Marketing Director

It’s an interesting question. I’m conflicted on the subject. I think on some level that observing same sex coupling in animals gives further relevance to the existence of homosexuality as something we are born with rather than something we chose. But then how could we really know whether animals chose or not? As humans have an obvious connection to our animal brethren via our evolutionary channels and progression, it’s natural to want to examine these occurrences and consider their validation. Or at least to consider their relevance if any.

On the other hand I find it slightly crude to need to justify human homosexuality by acknowledging that other species, closely related or not, also reflect these qualities. It should be enough that large quantities of humans across the world identify as LGBT to validate that we are in fact LGBT. Nobody needs to validate that humans can be born Albino by examining that animals also are born without pigmentation! Obviously that is something we can see with our eyes without having to exhibit behaviors or tendencies, but the underlying principle is the same if you believe homosexuals are born that way, and I definitely believe that.

I ultimately think that humans are humans and animals are animals and while we can draw parallels between the two, we are still different species and need to be seen that way. If we want an answer to why humans are gay we should study humans! Plain and simple.


Arthur – Sports Writer

Since when has rational science had a meaningful impact on the use of religious dogmatic language? Homosexuality isn’t something new, historically. It’s just now viewed in a much different way than it has before. Animals (which humans are) have sex. Sometimes with the same sex. Why do we all make such a big deal about this?


Jean – Staff Contributor

I love animals. Even more if they are gay. Unfortunately people who are against homosex are often simultaneously against evolution, so those folks don’t think we are at all related to animals or that we could have the same senses or bahaviors. thus its a bad argument: “Animals have gay relationships, not humans.” sigh, the cycle continues.


Levi – Staff Contributer

I am reminded of the “Big Gay Al’s Big Gay Boatride” episode of South Park.
Though somehow I am nervous that some conservatives are going to start trying more radical gay conversion methods on these gay animals (because it is way easier to experiment with harmful and inhumane things on animals than it is to people) to try to prove that homosexuality can be “cured”.


raphael – LA Editor

It makes me realize how censored our biological education really is.
When highschools neglect to teach us about the diversity of animal and
human sexuality, they make us feel like we are apart from the normal
range.

Somehow, I don’t think this will make it into the textbooks in Texas….


t – Contributor

I think this is a fascinating but very complicated issue. I liked this
article a lot because I felt it didn’t assume very much, presented a
lot of clear unbiased facts and asked the right questions, leaving
many doors open.

Reading this made me wonder if maybe we’ve been adhering to theories
we assume to be (and are generally) true but may not be as
all-encompassing as we think. For instance, natural selection. We
assume all animals are heterosexual and assume they mate solely for
the purpose of creating offspring because we know genes are selfish
and seek self-replication. But what if it’s more complicated than
that? What if our search for a mate is not only about the physical act
of sex but also long-term well-being. I don’t know how scientifically
this could make sense, but reading this article and thinking about all
these animals who appear to be in “homosexual” RELATIONSHIPS (not just
having GAY SEX) made me wonder if we are a) misunderstanding or not
fully understanding natural selection and/or b) over-analyzing what is
“natural” and why.

I think we tend to make things overly complicated when maybe the more
obvious answer has been sitting in front of us the whole time -
homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality because sexuality is
not just about sex and reproduction. We’re more complex than that,
let’s dig a little deeper, think a little harder and maybe we’ll come
up with some more insightful explanations for “why” homosexuality
exists in nature…if this is even a question we wish to spend so much
precious time answering.


Topher – TV Columnist

I sent my Mating Systems professor a link to both of those stories, in a sort of apology for making a mockery of what was a really great class. Instead of telling me I was an idiot, and also instead of telling me I was a beautiful genius, she replied quite simply:

“Recent research suggests that male homosexuality is an offshoot of a trait that increases female reproductive success… no one has figured out the lesbians (as usual). Good to hear from you.”

She’s a lesbian herself, so didn’t mean any real offense to the ladies, but geez, right? What a science teacher!

For me the best part about these advances in scientific study is not what it proves, but the place it gives me. I’ve always loved biology, and have felt oddly excluded from the whole thing. I mean, in a very basic sense our biological sexual desires remove us from evolution. That to me felt like Darwin was labeling me, not as flawed, but just as not even worth considering. Not “natural” in any way.

Now, at least I’ve got a place in the mix. Sure, the religious right is going to use this against us, but they do that with everything! And sure, a male lion having sex with another male lion doesn’t give either one of them the healthy babies that Darwin puts such a premium on. But at least science is starting to take notice of what those two sexy lions are doing to each other, and isn’t afraid to study it honestly.


zack – Editor-in-Chief

This is all our fault. Before the rise of the gay movement, animals like bears and otters had no sexualized connotations, so they didn’t even think to mate with anything other than the opposite sex. Than us pesky homos came along and taught them how to be perverts. what’s next, the teaching of sodomy in schools of fish?


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  • nathan said:

    hmmm…here is the basics here from the perspective of a biologist (me)…

    People are bad at understanding science – the shades of grey in science are not well presented by the media or even scientists and few people want to take the time to learn the details. There are very few laws in science most thing are about statistical norms.

    Oh and guess what so is sexuality! So anyone who has studied sciences in detail knows there are all kinds of “freaks” that just help shape the norms. I always was happy to be one of these freaks and the normalization of gayness has been annoying to me, but that is off topic here…the point I want to make is that sexuality, sexual determination, even why we have two sexes is a very under explored area of science. It will surprise me little as time goes on and this is looked into more to find out some very shocking and potentially red hot things. We should be aware that all of it falls into the typical normal distribution, thankfully meaning that there will always be freaks!

    One of these might be, gasp, that lesbians and gay men have radically different causation leading us to one day recognize what most of us already know – we are nearly different animals :)

  • nigel foster said:

    Seems to me from this side of the pond that a lot of people are making several unwarranted assumptions. For example, that sex is all to do with long-term relationships. It isn’t. Nor is all to do with producing offspring. Sex is sufficient unto itself. Of course it affects relationships and plays a major role in reproduction, other that the test-tube or surrogate variety. What animals do or do not do has no real bearing on the human condition; those behaviour patterns which appear similar merely denote a logical, or evolutionary, response to a similar set of external stimuli. Poke a human with a stick and it gets mad. So does a lion. This does not mean you can learn about humans by studying lions. It just means you will need a new stick. Or look at birdsong. People think how beautiful. Truth is, it’s one bird telling another to stay the hell away or risk having its eyes pecked out.
    Homosexuality as a condition or state of being is a comparatively recent construct, especially in terms of defining one’s personality and character. In reality, people just do not fit into those neat little boxes so beloved of market researchers, religious leaders and politicians (often, all the same person).
    But overall, I really need to know if those albatrosses climaxed. Because if they didn’t, it might be sex but not as we know it. Oh, okay. Maybe some of us do. Sorry.
    Great site, by the way,

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