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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-19182</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I think Michael is facing is common.  Those who care about all disempowered communities support their empowerment.  But if I am not personally a member of that community, and if I choose to speak for it, I&#039;m blasted by the community for daring to do so (since I cannot possibly know &quot;what it is really like&quot;), and if I do not speak for it, I&#039;m indicted for my silence.  Well, which would you rather have?  Someone who speaks up on your behalf, or someone who remains silent?  (Please note that I am not implying that because someone is speaking on your behalf that you yourself are not speaking on your behalf.  More than one can speak up.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I think Michael is facing is common.  Those who care about all disempowered communities support their empowerment.  But if I am not personally a member of that community, and if I choose to speak for it, I&#8217;m blasted by the community for daring to do so (since I cannot possibly know &#8220;what it is really like&#8221;), and if I do not speak for it, I&#8217;m indicted for my silence.  Well, which would you rather have?  Someone who speaks up on your behalf, or someone who remains silent?  (Please note that I am not implying that because someone is speaking on your behalf that you yourself are not speaking on your behalf.  More than one can speak up.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-19172</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@michael: Your assertion that &#039;you don&#039;t know&#039; and &#039;more trans people need to speak up&#039; is nothing more than a method of dismissing your own lack of knowledge and making it the trans person&#039;s fault that &#039;you don&#039;t know any better&#039;. Further more, your statment that &quot;No one will tirelessly advocate for another group who sits silently in the closet waiting for their rights&quot; implies that trans people aren&#039;t out there fighting the same fight you are. Let me be clear: WE ARE...and we have been since before Stonewall.  Never forget that it was drag queens and transwomen who led that fight.

Stop making assumptions and accusations about a commuinity that you admittedly have little to no knowledge of. Stop blaming the trans community for your ignorance and learn things for yourself. I am not black, but I don&#039;t expect my black brothers and sisters to teach me about their struggles....I attempt to educate myself in any way possible because it is not a minority&#039;s responsibility to educate the majority. The belief that a person should &#039;teach you&#039; how to be less offensive, is an example of the privilege the majority has in our society.

Finally, I would like to address what, in my mind, was the most offense element of your last comment. By stating that you don&#039;t think trans folks will find themselves at the &quot;adult table&quot; implies that the cisgender queer community are the wise adults and those in the trans community, as well as the trans community as a whole are just children. How dare you. I am not a child. We are not children. DO NOT patronize us.

Oh...and I personally know one of your contributors is trans. We are right in front of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@michael: Your assertion that &#8216;you don&#8217;t know&#8217; and &#8216;more trans people need to speak up&#8217; is nothing more than a method of dismissing your own lack of knowledge and making it the trans person&#8217;s fault that &#8216;you don&#8217;t know any better&#8217;. Further more, your statment that &#8220;No one will tirelessly advocate for another group who sits silently in the closet waiting for their rights&#8221; implies that trans people aren&#8217;t out there fighting the same fight you are. Let me be clear: WE ARE&#8230;and we have been since before Stonewall.  Never forget that it was drag queens and transwomen who led that fight.</p>
<p>Stop making assumptions and accusations about a commuinity that you admittedly have little to no knowledge of. Stop blaming the trans community for your ignorance and learn things for yourself. I am not black, but I don&#8217;t expect my black brothers and sisters to teach me about their struggles&#8230;.I attempt to educate myself in any way possible because it is not a minority&#8217;s responsibility to educate the majority. The belief that a person should &#8216;teach you&#8217; how to be less offensive, is an example of the privilege the majority has in our society.</p>
<p>Finally, I would like to address what, in my mind, was the most offense element of your last comment. By stating that you don&#8217;t think trans folks will find themselves at the &#8220;adult table&#8221; implies that the cisgender queer community are the wise adults and those in the trans community, as well as the trans community as a whole are just children. How dare you. I am not a child. We are not children. DO NOT patronize us.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;and I personally know one of your contributors is trans. We are right in front of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-18979</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I&#039;m not saying that trans people shouldn&#039;t speak. Quite the contrary. And just because there aren&#039;t many trans contributors to your blog doesn&#039;t mean that there aren&#039;t trans voices out there that are speaking and want to be heard.

I&#039;m saying that being an ally means doing more than just paying lip service. When you talk about wanting more trans participation, and advertise your events as trans inclusive, but then can&#039;t even take the time to educate yourself well enough to have an informed conversation about trans issues, it comes off as disingenuous. When you can&#039;t use reasonably correct terminology, it&#039;s a red flag to trans people that they will have to preface any real discussion with a lot of Trans 101 crap that could easily have been answered by Google.

There&#039;s nothing wrong with not being 100% on trans stuff; it&#039;s not like any trans people were born knowing it. There is something wrong with failing to take responsibility for your own ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I&#8217;m not saying that trans people shouldn&#8217;t speak. Quite the contrary. And just because there aren&#8217;t many trans contributors to your blog doesn&#8217;t mean that there aren&#8217;t trans voices out there that are speaking and want to be heard.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying that being an ally means doing more than just paying lip service. When you talk about wanting more trans participation, and advertise your events as trans inclusive, but then can&#8217;t even take the time to educate yourself well enough to have an informed conversation about trans issues, it comes off as disingenuous. When you can&#8217;t use reasonably correct terminology, it&#8217;s a red flag to trans people that they will have to preface any real discussion with a lot of Trans 101 crap that could easily have been answered by Google.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with not being 100% on trans stuff; it&#8217;s not like any trans people were born knowing it. There is something wrong with failing to take responsibility for your own ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-18970</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, I can&#039;t because I obviously don&#039;t know enough.  And apparently Zack doesn&#039;t either.  At least we&#039;re trying, but we need more trans voices to tell us their stories and share their experiences and similarities with us.  No one will tirelessly advocate for another group who sits silently in the closet waiting for their rights.  I&#039;m happy to be an advocacy for trans rights and all queer rights, but I need to put a face on those I&#039;m advocating for, and I&#039;ve found -- more often than not -- that trans people who &quot;pass&quot; wish not to draw attention to their status.  Until that changes, I doubt trans people will find themselves at the &quot;adult table&quot; when the queer rights tofurkey is carved and served.  Just one man&#039;s opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I can&#8217;t because I obviously don&#8217;t know enough.  And apparently Zack doesn&#8217;t either.  At least we&#8217;re trying, but we need more trans voices to tell us their stories and share their experiences and similarities with us.  No one will tirelessly advocate for another group who sits silently in the closet waiting for their rights.  I&#8217;m happy to be an advocacy for trans rights and all queer rights, but I need to put a face on those I&#8217;m advocating for, and I&#8217;ve found &#8212; more often than not &#8212; that trans people who &#8220;pass&#8221; wish not to draw attention to their status.  Until that changes, I doubt trans people will find themselves at the &#8220;adult table&#8221; when the queer rights tofurkey is carved and served.  Just one man&#8217;s opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-18966</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;We need to start making our similarities better known. But trans people will have to step up and do it, since obviously I can’t.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Why can&#039;t you? Isn&#039;t the entire point of being an ally being able to speak up for people who can&#039;t (assuming you are not speaking &lt;i&gt;over&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;at the expense of&lt;/i&gt; trans folk)? Cisgender people have access to spaces and discussions that trans people might not, have the privilege to be listened to where trans people might be dismissed or ignored.

Being an ally doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re sitting around waiting for some benevolent trans person to explain things to you. At least 90% of what &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; know about transgender issues, I learned on the internet. There are advocacy groups, and blogs, and youtube channels. If you want to call yourself an ally, educate yourself.

Much as I appreciate the sentiment, given length of time that trans inclusion has been a topic kicked around on TNG, I find it somewhat disheartening that this article still bears a warning that Zack is only a &quot;well-wisher&quot;, can we please excuse his incorrect terminology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;We need to start making our similarities better known. But trans people will have to step up and do it, since obviously I can’t.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t you? Isn&#8217;t the entire point of being an ally being able to speak up for people who can&#8217;t (assuming you are not speaking <i>over</i> or <i>at the expense of</i> trans folk)? Cisgender people have access to spaces and discussions that trans people might not, have the privilege to be listened to where trans people might be dismissed or ignored.</p>
<p>Being an ally doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re sitting around waiting for some benevolent trans person to explain things to you. At least 90% of what <i>I</i> know about transgender issues, I learned on the internet. There are advocacy groups, and blogs, and youtube channels. If you want to call yourself an ally, educate yourself.</p>
<p>Much as I appreciate the sentiment, given length of time that trans inclusion has been a topic kicked around on TNG, I find it somewhat disheartening that this article still bears a warning that Zack is only a &#8220;well-wisher&#8221;, can we please excuse his incorrect terminology?</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-17937</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex:  See, all the more reason for more trans visibility on this site and in the world in general.  How can we  support one another if we don&#039;t even know how similar our struggles are?  I don&#039;t think the majority of queer folk will buy &quot;because it&#039;s the right thing to do&quot; as an argument for why they should expand the umbrella to a group of people who are in their eyes completely different from them.  We need to start making our similarities better known.  But trans people will have to step up and do it, since obviously I can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex:  See, all the more reason for more trans visibility on this site and in the world in general.  How can we  support one another if we don&#8217;t even know how similar our struggles are?  I don&#8217;t think the majority of queer folk will buy &#8220;because it&#8217;s the right thing to do&#8221; as an argument for why they should expand the umbrella to a group of people who are in their eyes completely different from them.  We need to start making our similarities better known.  But trans people will have to step up and do it, since obviously I can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-17925</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that trans folk need to be included in all sexual minority rights legislation.  My only caveat with making everything &#039;gender neutral&#039; is that it doens&#039;t address the inherent advantage that straight males have in our culture.  I believe that until women are treated equally as men, we run the risk of men using &#039;gender neutral&#039; values to try to retain the privileges they already have.  Not to mention their ability to intimidate women with unwanted sexual advances and innuendo (which could happen even more easily in, for instance, co-ed bathrooms).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that trans folk need to be included in all sexual minority rights legislation.  My only caveat with making everything &#8216;gender neutral&#8217; is that it doens&#8217;t address the inherent advantage that straight males have in our culture.  I believe that until women are treated equally as men, we run the risk of men using &#8216;gender neutral&#8217; values to try to retain the privileges they already have.  Not to mention their ability to intimidate women with unwanted sexual advances and innuendo (which could happen even more easily in, for instance, co-ed bathrooms).</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-17832</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s my resolution to make the world a bit friendlier to the trans-(and other)-gendered: I&#039;m going to ask my local &quot;community coffeehouse&quot; to make their restrooms gender-neutral!

It&#039;s a small step, but should at least raise awareness.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s my resolution to make the world a bit friendlier to the trans-(and other)-gendered: I&#8217;m going to ask my local &#8220;community coffeehouse&#8221; to make their restrooms gender-neutral!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a small step, but should at least raise awareness&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-17809</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael
Both of your transgender examples are incorrect. A diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder, or undergoing medical transition, renders one ineligible for the military. 

Also, the ability of straight trans people to marry is dependent on the state in which they were born and the state in which they are marrying. Requirements for gender identification for marriage vary by state, as does the ability to modify one&#039;s birth certificate. Additionally, there is the risk that a heterosexual marriage involving a trans person may be found invalid by the courts. I know there was a trans woman who was denied her rights as a widow (property, etc) after the death of her husband because a judge ruled that their marriage was illegal since she was &quot;really a man&quot; (I can&#039;t for the life of me remember her name to search it...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael<br />
Both of your transgender examples are incorrect. A diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder, or undergoing medical transition, renders one ineligible for the military. </p>
<p>Also, the ability of straight trans people to marry is dependent on the state in which they were born and the state in which they are marrying. Requirements for gender identification for marriage vary by state, as does the ability to modify one&#8217;s birth certificate. Additionally, there is the risk that a heterosexual marriage involving a trans person may be found invalid by the courts. I know there was a trans woman who was denied her rights as a widow (property, etc) after the death of her husband because a judge ruled that their marriage was illegal since she was &#8220;really a man&#8221; (I can&#8217;t for the life of me remember her name to search it&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-17806</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the bigger problem seems to be the way we go about asking for our rights:  one at a time.  

Why should I fight DADT if we don&#039;t support the military?  Why should I condemn DOMA if we have no interest in getting married?  Why should a trans person care about either, since heterosexual-identified trans people have the right to marry and fight in the military?  And conversely, why should a gay man fight for a bill that supports trans rights when they are offered one that at least covers themselves.

What we need is sweeping federal legislation that eliminates the notion of gender for the granting of all rights, and provides special protections for those who do not conform to gender norms, be it same-sex attraction or the desire to transition to the other gender.  This piecemeal approach is doing us as a community more harm than good, which is exactly what the straight (non-queer) majority wants.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewgay.net/2009/08/finding-the-unity-in-community.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If we are going to be one community&lt;/a&gt;, we need one fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the bigger problem seems to be the way we go about asking for our rights:  one at a time.  </p>
<p>Why should I fight DADT if we don&#8217;t support the military?  Why should I condemn DOMA if we have no interest in getting married?  Why should a trans person care about either, since heterosexual-identified trans people have the right to marry and fight in the military?  And conversely, why should a gay man fight for a bill that supports trans rights when they are offered one that at least covers themselves.</p>
<p>What we need is sweeping federal legislation that eliminates the notion of gender for the granting of all rights, and provides special protections for those who do not conform to gender norms, be it same-sex attraction or the desire to transition to the other gender.  This piecemeal approach is doing us as a community more harm than good, which is exactly what the straight (non-queer) majority wants.</p>
<p><a href="http://thenewgay.net/2009/08/finding-the-unity-in-community.html" rel="nofollow">If we are going to be one community</a>, we need one fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/thoughts-on-gender.html#comment-17801</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a very good point, Zack.  I think sometimes it&#039;s very easy to lose sight of the struggles of others in the GLBT community when it feels like every day we have to work really hard just to get basic rights for gays and lesbians.  We tend to concentrate on the issues that directly affect us (like same-sex marriage or repealing Don&#039;t Ask Don&#039;t Tell), and forget that other people have issues that are just as pressing.  Thank you for reminding us about the Trans in GLBT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a very good point, Zack.  I think sometimes it&#8217;s very easy to lose sight of the struggles of others in the GLBT community when it feels like every day we have to work really hard just to get basic rights for gays and lesbians.  We tend to concentrate on the issues that directly affect us (like same-sex marriage or repealing Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell), and forget that other people have issues that are just as pressing.  Thank you for reminding us about the Trans in GLBT.</p>
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