Comments on: Ideas: Paper or Plastic, Marriage or Civil Union? http://thenewgay.net/2009/05/paper-or-plastic-marriage-or-civil-union.html For Everyone Over the Rainbow Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:21:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Scott http://thenewgay.net/2009/05/paper-or-plastic-marriage-or-civil-union.html#comment-12090 Scott Sat, 16 May 2009 14:00:37 +0000 http://thenewgay.net/?p=7481#comment-12090 Look at the experience in NJ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_unions_in_New_Jersey Look at the experience in NJ:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_unions_in_New_Jersey

]]> By: Louche http://thenewgay.net/2009/05/paper-or-plastic-marriage-or-civil-union.html#comment-12029 Louche Tue, 12 May 2009 12:26:42 +0000 http://thenewgay.net/?p=7481#comment-12029 Actually, a large part of the Brown v Board case was showing that the inherent unfairness had a negative effect on children -- they used several pyschological studies that showed, quite damningly, that institutional disparity had negative esteem effects on children. I think that if you're going to make marriage something 'extra-legal', then civil unions should just exist, while 'marriage licenses' should be available at your local church. The problem with your argument is that people say that 'civil unions are equal', therefore 'marriage is equal,' discounting the fact that gay people can't actually choose to get a marriage license if they want one. Most people who don't want "marriage redefined" are not worried about their own marriages becoming civil unions, they're worried about the flip side for queer folk. Actually, a large part of the Brown v Board case was showing that the inherent unfairness had a negative effect on children — they used several pyschological studies that showed, quite damningly, that institutional disparity had negative esteem effects on children.

I think that if you’re going to make marriage something ‘extra-legal’, then civil unions should just exist, while ‘marriage licenses’ should be available at your local church. The problem with your argument is that people say that ‘civil unions are equal’, therefore ‘marriage is equal,’ discounting the fact that gay people can’t actually choose to get a marriage license if they want one. Most people who don’t want “marriage redefined” are not worried about their own marriages becoming civil unions, they’re worried about the flip side for queer folk.

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