Comments on: An Open Letter to the Patrons of the 9:30 Club http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html For Everyone Over the Rainbow Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:36:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: muddiboots http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7378 muddiboots Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:09:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7378 This really reminds me of a post from Stuff White People Like:<br/><br/>http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/17/68-standing-still-at-concerts/<br/><br/>As far as concerts go, I'm definitely a dancer, although I try my hardest to be respectful of other people. The only reason I may end up dancing in the back is if I'm with a friend who doesn't want to dance. It sucks leaving a friend standing alone, so I compromise.<br/><br/>On the other hand, if I've established a (small) dancing space with my neighbors, it's really rude if you move into it and then get upset at me for moving around. If you see someone dancing and you want to be undisturbed, don't assume that the half-foot around her is a vacant spot just waiting for you to squeeze in... or that she wants you to come up and "hit on" her by standing way too close and "accidentally" rubbing up against her. I don't care if you're male or female, it's obnoxious and creepy. This really reminds me of a post from Stuff White People Like:

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/17/68-standing-still-at-concerts/

As far as concerts go, I’m definitely a dancer, although I try my hardest to be respectful of other people. The only reason I may end up dancing in the back is if I’m with a friend who doesn’t want to dance. It sucks leaving a friend standing alone, so I compromise.

On the other hand, if I’ve established a (small) dancing space with my neighbors, it’s really rude if you move into it and then get upset at me for moving around. If you see someone dancing and you want to be undisturbed, don’t assume that the half-foot around her is a vacant spot just waiting for you to squeeze in… or that she wants you to come up and “hit on” her by standing way too close and “accidentally” rubbing up against her. I don’t care if you’re male or female, it’s obnoxious and creepy.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7377 Anonymous Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:15:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7377 re: Steven<br/><br/>I hate most people because they are remarkably stupid, they make life increasingly difficult for everyone who isn't stupid. Look around. We live in the only country on earth that put George W. Bush into office twice. Crumbling economy? They want i-pods and Prada sneakers, they'll be happy. Mortgages and gas too expensive? They want Dancing with the Stars and Beyonce.<br/><br/>Although a misanthrope I am not afraid to go outside, attend concerts, shop and join friends in restaurants. I do not avoid train stations, airports, gyms and supermarkets. I suffer through them instead.<br/><br/>Mediocrity is very hot commodity in our capitalist democracy. re: Steven

I hate most people because they are remarkably stupid, they make life increasingly difficult for everyone who isn’t stupid. Look around. We live in the only country on earth that put George W. Bush into office twice. Crumbling economy? They want i-pods and Prada sneakers, they’ll be happy. Mortgages and gas too expensive? They want Dancing with the Stars and Beyonce.

Although a misanthrope I am not afraid to go outside, attend concerts, shop and join friends in restaurants. I do not avoid train stations, airports, gyms and supermarkets. I suffer through them instead.

Mediocrity is very hot commodity in our capitalist democracy.

]]> By: Steven http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7376 Steven Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:58:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7376 I just went back and read your post about the gym, and I'm thinking, since you have so much trouble with public spaces and proximity to other people, maybe it's not the 9:30 Club or the gym that's the problem. How do you feel about grocery stores? airports? I just went back and read your post about the gym, and I’m thinking, since you have so much trouble with public spaces and proximity to other people, maybe it’s not the 9:30 Club or the gym that’s the problem. How do you feel about grocery stores? airports?

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7375 Anonymous Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:21:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7375 Sounds like you should trade your nights at 9:30 for nights at the symphony. There you can be as quiet and antisocial as you please. Sounds like you should trade your nights at 9:30 for nights at the symphony. There you can be as quiet and antisocial as you please.

]]> By: Brian http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7374 Brian Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:47:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7374 to be honest, i don't like the box idea very much. part of the reason why dc crowds at shows are so bad is because people just stand there with their arms folded across their chests, looking as unimpressed as possible. i think how much you move out of your "box" is more dependent on how crowded the show is and how much physical contact you create with other people. i think movement should be encouraged more rather than less, so long as you're not interrupting the enjoyment of other people. in a packed show, less movement out of your box would be better. to be honest, i don’t like the box idea very much. part of the reason why dc crowds at shows are so bad is because people just stand there with their arms folded across their chests, looking as unimpressed as possible. i think how much you move out of your “box” is more dependent on how crowded the show is and how much physical contact you create with other people. i think movement should be encouraged more rather than less, so long as you’re not interrupting the enjoyment of other people. in a packed show, less movement out of your box would be better.

]]> By: Zack http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7373 Zack Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:21:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7373 Anonymous with the small bladder: I here you. I usually force myself to go before the concert, even if that means standing at the urinal for ten minutes while pressing on my lower stomach. Anonymous with the small bladder: I here you. I usually force myself to go before the concert, even if that means standing at the urinal for ten minutes while pressing on my lower stomach.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7372 Anonymous Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:14:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7372 I think the bigger issue here is self-segregation or maybe awareness of your surroundings. <br/><br/>People who stand in the back and dance like a dervish are being inappropriate, as are people who stand up in the front and get annoyed that they're surrounded by a mosh pit. <br/><br/>The secret is to figure how how well your desired behavior jives with that of those around you. If they're out of sync, either change your expectations or move to a section where other like-minded folks are located. <br/><br/>Draconian space ethics? Class warfare? Aren't you exaggerating just a little bit? What the author is talking about is common courtesy. <br/><br/>Having a great time at the expense of everyone else's great time is discourteous. Period. I think the bigger issue here is self-segregation or maybe awareness of your surroundings.

People who stand in the back and dance like a dervish are being inappropriate, as are people who stand up in the front and get annoyed that they’re surrounded by a mosh pit.

The secret is to figure how how well your desired behavior jives with that of those around you. If they’re out of sync, either change your expectations or move to a section where other like-minded folks are located.

Draconian space ethics? Class warfare? Aren’t you exaggerating just a little bit? What the author is talking about is common courtesy.

Having a great time at the expense of everyone else’s great time is discourteous. Period.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7371 Anonymous Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:12:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7371 Something that has always brought me great angst is the infamous mid-concert bathroom trip. I'm always torn between doing serious harm to my bladder or awkwardly crashing my way through several hundred people. The trip out usually goes well enough, but the effort to get back to your pod of friends in the middle of the concert floor requires a level of tact and maneuverability that alludes me. Something that has always brought me great angst is the infamous mid-concert bathroom trip. I’m always torn between doing serious harm to my bladder or awkwardly crashing my way through several hundred people. The trip out usually goes well enough, but the effort to get back to your pod of friends in the middle of the concert floor requires a level of tact and maneuverability that alludes me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7370 Anonymous Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:01:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7370 A few bad dancing eggs are not reason enough to suggest draconian space ethics. For every obnoxious dancer, there are ten more agile movers keeping to themselves while moving at the same time. For a blog that talks a big talk about inclusion, this rant/comment thread reeks of class warfare and re-masculinizing indie space post-riot grrl and like my girl emma said, there will be dancing in my revolution. A few bad dancing eggs are not reason enough to suggest draconian space ethics. For every obnoxious dancer, there are ten more agile movers keeping to themselves while moving at the same time. For a blog that talks a big talk about inclusion, this rant/comment thread reeks of class warfare and re-masculinizing indie space post-riot grrl and like my girl emma said, there will be dancing in my revolution.

]]> By: Chrisafer http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7369 Chrisafer Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:40:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7369 A-fucking-men A-fucking-men

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7368 Anonymous Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:33:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7368 That kind of crowd is why I normally don't go to concerts. <br/><br/>Also, certain bands get better crowds. I went to see Cowboy Junkies at 9:30 a few years back and had an amazing time. The crowd was cool, very copacetic and mixed in age. Not everyone there was a spoiled angry white girl acting out. A few years before that I saw Saint Etienne at Bowery Ballroom (nyc) and the crowd was the same: very cool.<br/><br/>All of that being said I agree with Zach. The 9:30 Club <i><b>is not</b></i> your living room. <i>Grow up.</i> That kind of crowd is why I normally don’t go to concerts.

Also, certain bands get better crowds. I went to see Cowboy Junkies at 9:30 a few years back and had an amazing time. The crowd was cool, very copacetic and mixed in age. Not everyone there was a spoiled angry white girl acting out. A few years before that I saw Saint Etienne at Bowery Ballroom (nyc) and the crowd was the same: very cool.

All of that being said I agree with Zach. The 9:30 Club is not your living room. Grow up.

]]> By: petrov http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7367 petrov Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:13:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7367 I agree with you 95%. I think it is appropriate to consider certain concerts "dance concerts." At these concerts those wishing to dance should use polite measures to move to the front of the crowd where they can then interact among similar fans in a more rambunctious way (dancing out side their box, but within a collectively larger box). If you plan on attending one of these "dance concerts" and plan on not getting your box invaded, then you should either move to the back of the floor or to the upper level. For example... if you think you are going to stand close to the stage in your own un-intruded box for Gogol Bordello, then you are just living a fantasy. I have been to many many concerts and I think the last thing we can complain about here is too many people dancing. But to reiterate, I agree with you in all other respects... in addition to remaining in your own personal box, I would like to add that things happening in your box should be refrained to something you wouldn't mind watching the ugliest person in the venue doing right in front of you with no way for you to not watch. I agree with you 95%. I think it is appropriate to consider certain concerts “dance concerts.” At these concerts those wishing to dance should use polite measures to move to the front of the crowd where they can then interact among similar fans in a more rambunctious way (dancing out side their box, but within a collectively larger box). If you plan on attending one of these “dance concerts” and plan on not getting your box invaded, then you should either move to the back of the floor or to the upper level. For example… if you think you are going to stand close to the stage in your own un-intruded box for Gogol Bordello, then you are just living a fantasy. I have been to many many concerts and I think the last thing we can complain about here is too many people dancing. But to reiterate, I agree with you in all other respects… in addition to remaining in your own personal box, I would like to add that things happening in your box should be refrained to something you wouldn’t mind watching the ugliest person in the venue doing right in front of you with no way for you to not watch.

]]> By: Jenny Miller http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7366 Jenny Miller Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:54:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7366 haha! that is all. haha! that is all.

]]> By: Michael http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7365 Michael Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:28:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7365 You forgot about the woo girl, dancing like a stripper at the Peter, Björn and John show, who was dipping her ponytail into your $5 gin and tonic and then whipping you in the face with it. You forgot about the woo girl, dancing like a stripper at the Peter, Björn and John show, who was dipping her ponytail into your $5 gin and tonic and then whipping you in the face with it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7364 Anonymous Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:00:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7364 This post... was... phenomenal. --Rios This post… was… phenomenal. –Rios

]]> By: Craig http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7363 Craig Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:38:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7363 As I vertically challenge person, my experience at the 930 Club has, of the last few times, horrible. People stepping on me,drinks spilled...I remember before it went smoke free, and being burned. As I vertically challenge person, my experience at the 930 Club has, of the last few times, horrible. People stepping on me,drinks spilled…I remember before it went smoke free, and being burned.

]]> By: David C. http://thenewgay.net/2008/10/open-letter-to-patrons-of-930-club.html#comment-7362 David C. Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:14:00 +0000 http://tngmichael.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-open-letter-to-the-patrons-of-the-930-club/#comment-7362 And why do people who stand toward the back think it's OK to talk? Not just make an occasional comment about the band or a song, but an outright conversation about something totally irrelevant to the show. That drives me nuts. And why do people who stand toward the back think it’s OK to talk? Not just make an occasional comment about the band or a song, but an outright conversation about something totally irrelevant to the show. That drives me nuts.

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