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		<title>By: dben</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2220</link>
		<dc:creator>dben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay Culture is limited.  An alternate TNG party would be cool.  We need options on June 14th.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I once attended a lecture by Judy Shephard, mother of Matthew, where she bemoaned a certain aspect of Pride. She pointed out that the newsvans and reporters showed up at the front of the parade, for the grand marshalls and dancing drag queens, but didn&#039;t stick around for end of the parade where the everyday folks were. Somewhere between the spectacle and the marketing exists the actual gay experience, and THAT is what I wish pride could reflect.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The fact is, pride does reflect that -- most of the people in the parade are there with their sports teams and churches, or are marching with their kids or their parents.  It&#039;s hard to blame the organizers for the fact that the media focuses on the most dramatic stuff (drag queens and naked folk).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think pride events are important in two ways.  First, they remind the world that there are all kinds of queer people living among them -- and especially in smaller cities, that&#039;s hugely important.  Second, they remind us about the diversity of our own community.  Especially if you&#039;re young and your primary relationship to gay life is bars and sex, seeing that there&#039;s room for you to also be a soccer player or a quaker or a classic car enthusiast can help you figure out that there&#039;s room in this world to be who you want to be and not just who people tell you to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I once attended a lecture by Judy Shephard, mother of Matthew, where she bemoaned a certain aspect of Pride. She pointed out that the newsvans and reporters showed up at the front of the parade, for the grand marshalls and dancing drag queens, but didn&#8217;t stick around for end of the parade where the everyday folks were. Somewhere between the spectacle and the marketing exists the actual gay experience, and THAT is what I wish pride could reflect.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact is, pride does reflect that &#8212; most of the people in the parade are there with their sports teams and churches, or are marching with their kids or their parents.  It&#8217;s hard to blame the organizers for the fact that the media focuses on the most dramatic stuff (drag queens and naked folk).</p>
<p>I think pride events are important in two ways.  First, they remind the world that there are all kinds of queer people living among them &#8212; and especially in smaller cities, that&#8217;s hugely important.  Second, they remind us about the diversity of our own community.  Especially if you&#8217;re young and your primary relationship to gay life is bars and sex, seeing that there&#8217;s room for you to also be a soccer player or a quaker or a classic car enthusiast can help you figure out that there&#8217;s room in this world to be who you want to be and not just who people tell you to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2218</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Often, one finds what they look for.  If you can find nothing to be proud of or inspired by in the mainstream gay culture, it rather denotes a lack of effort (or capacity) on your part. Everywhere in the gay community, from the comfortable niche you inhabit to the most outrageous extremes, those same treasured values of individuality, creativity, and diversity  are in rich abundance (you by no means engendered them here at TNG).  Hopefully, while manning your booth, you will try to find what you love about TNG represented in other factions of gay DC.  Because from the post it sounded more like you will just be condescendingly lauding TNG as a bastion in what you’ve decided is a cultural wasteland of DC gayness, which is just really annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Often, one finds what they look for.  If you can find nothing to be proud of or inspired by in the mainstream gay culture, it rather denotes a lack of effort (or capacity) on your part. Everywhere in the gay community, from the comfortable niche you inhabit to the most outrageous extremes, those same treasured values of individuality, creativity, and diversity  are in rich abundance (you by no means engendered them here at TNG).  Hopefully, while manning your booth, you will try to find what you love about TNG represented in other factions of gay DC.  Because from the post it sounded more like you will just be condescendingly lauding TNG as a bastion in what you’ve decided is a cultural wasteland of DC gayness, which is just really annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2217</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post provides fodder to my suspicion that, despite my initial impression, I really don&#039;t &quot;belong&quot; to the TNG crowd.  I don&#039;t like the gay pride parades but not because of the leather men or the dykes on bikes but because it&#039;s a celebration that has lost its meaning - back in the early 1970&#039;s it served as a political rally, a call to unite and take action on issues. Come to think of it, isn&#039;t TNG similar in that other than Ben&#039;s posts there&#039;s nothing political about it? Again, good effort but Taint and events at the BlackCat a community do not make. Sorry guys but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll continue to read your blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post provides fodder to my suspicion that, despite my initial impression, I really don&#8217;t &#8220;belong&#8221; to the TNG crowd.  I don&#8217;t like the gay pride parades but not because of the leather men or the dykes on bikes but because it&#8217;s a celebration that has lost its meaning &#8211; back in the early 1970&#8242;s it served as a political rally, a call to unite and take action on issues. Come to think of it, isn&#8217;t TNG similar in that other than Ben&#8217;s posts there&#8217;s nothing political about it? Again, good effort but Taint and events at the BlackCat a community do not make. Sorry guys but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll continue to read your blog</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Nelson</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2216</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is appropriate for TNG to be at Pride, but don&#039;t expect to see me there...I don&#039;t have a problem with Pride, it&#039;s just that I no longer enjoy it, but I think it&#039;s an excellent event for those who do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is appropriate for TNG to be at Pride, but don&#8217;t expect to see me there&#8230;I don&#8217;t have a problem with Pride, it&#8217;s just that I no longer enjoy it, but I think it&#8217;s an excellent event for those who do!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2215</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issue with pride parades is that the meaning is lost in translation in the eyes of the general public. Instead of seeing people proud of their identity, they see an inappropriate circus act. If the parade was more &quot;family friendly,&quot; more people would feel comfortable bringing their children. Imagine the impact on homophobia if more children were exposed to a positive view of homosexuality at young age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue with pride parades is that the meaning is lost in translation in the eyes of the general public. Instead of seeing people proud of their identity, they see an inappropriate circus act. If the parade was more &#8220;family friendly,&#8221; more people would feel comfortable bringing their children. Imagine the impact on homophobia if more children were exposed to a positive view of homosexuality at young age.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2214</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone considered joining the capital pride planning committee and working to expand the voice of &quot;outsiders&quot; at the source?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2213</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, I want to attend a gay shame party on pride weekend.  That&#039;s funny as hell.  It reminds me of a favorite Onion article.  http://www.theonion.com/content/news/small_town_holds_annual_gay_shame&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think a table with information about TNG is a great idea.  As someone who recently stumbled across TNG and am thrilled to know that such a thing exists, I think it would be wonderful to spread the word to as many others as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, I want to attend a gay shame party on pride weekend.  That&#8217;s funny as hell.  It reminds me of a favorite Onion article.  <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/small_town_holds_annual_gay_shame" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/content/news/small_town_holds_annual_gay_shame</a></p>
<p>I think a table with information about TNG is a great idea.  As someone who recently stumbled across TNG and am thrilled to know that such a thing exists, I think it would be wonderful to spread the word to as many others as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2212</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the parade; it&#039;s always been an awesome and very unifying thing for me.  Like other commenters, no matter what I think other times of the year, during Pride (especially the parade) I feel like I&#039;m part of one great big family celebrating together.  The very last thing I want during that time is an agenda, or to be reminded of the divisions that are (at least temporarily) healed in that weekend.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the other hand, the festival, coming on the heels of that awesome togethery-goodness feeling (and my hangover), always comes as a huge let-down.  That&#039;s where I feel everything you said above: it&#039;s coorporate, encased in sweltering concrete, and feels kind of like a work conference you&#039;re obligated to go to and pretend to enjoy.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would love to see TNG offer an alternative option to the festival.  I probably wouldn&#039;t show up for anything during the parade or Saturday evening, since those spaces are already filled with things I love doing.  But the festival is one area where Pride could really use a new perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the parade; it&#8217;s always been an awesome and very unifying thing for me.  Like other commenters, no matter what I think other times of the year, during Pride (especially the parade) I feel like I&#8217;m part of one great big family celebrating together.  The very last thing I want during that time is an agenda, or to be reminded of the divisions that are (at least temporarily) healed in that weekend.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, the festival, coming on the heels of that awesome togethery-goodness feeling (and my hangover), always comes as a huge let-down.  That&#8217;s where I feel everything you said above: it&#8217;s coorporate, encased in sweltering concrete, and feels kind of like a work conference you&#8217;re obligated to go to and pretend to enjoy.  </p>
<p>I would love to see TNG offer an alternative option to the festival.  I probably wouldn&#8217;t show up for anything during the parade or Saturday evening, since those spaces are already filled with things I love doing.  But the festival is one area where Pride could really use a new perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Fletcher-Marzullo</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2211</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Fletcher-Marzullo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lots of good thoughts here.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m more disturbed by the &quot;corporatization&quot; of Pride than anything else, mostly because it just smacks of the worst of capitalist creepiness.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, I think the drag queens, leather men, Dykes on Bikes, etc., standing next to A&amp;F types and lipstick lesbians cradling their children provide one beautiful option for what culture can be.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to Zack&#039;s question about why gay events always have to be some fabulous party: I sometimes suspect and believe that people are desparate for beauty, pleasure and ecstasy (non-tablet kind, thank you), and queer folks, possibly because of the barrier-breaking nature of an out existence, feel more free to tap into unbridled and, yes, sometimes orgiastic delight. I do, agree, Zack, that there should be room for the glam hoo-hah, the quiet jazz night and a garden dinner party among friends. Variety is a good thing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think it would be fantastic for TNG to have some kind of presence at Pride. If the intent is to spread the word a little more, I think the festival is probably a better bet. People already have those bags full of all-things gay and they can just add another flyer, postcard, whatever to the glittering heap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lots of good thoughts here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more disturbed by the &#8220;corporatization&#8221; of Pride than anything else, mostly because it just smacks of the worst of capitalist creepiness.</p>
<p>However, I think the drag queens, leather men, Dykes on Bikes, etc., standing next to A&#038;F types and lipstick lesbians cradling their children provide one beautiful option for what culture can be.</p>
<p>As to Zack&#8217;s question about why gay events always have to be some fabulous party: I sometimes suspect and believe that people are desparate for beauty, pleasure and ecstasy (non-tablet kind, thank you), and queer folks, possibly because of the barrier-breaking nature of an out existence, feel more free to tap into unbridled and, yes, sometimes orgiastic delight. I do, agree, Zack, that there should be room for the glam hoo-hah, the quiet jazz night and a garden dinner party among friends. Variety is a good thing.</p>
<p>I think it would be fantastic for TNG to have some kind of presence at Pride. If the intent is to spread the word a little more, I think the festival is probably a better bet. People already have those bags full of all-things gay and they can just add another flyer, postcard, whatever to the glittering heap.</p>
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		<title>By: Parker</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2210</link>
		<dc:creator>Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t plan on wearing the t-shirt, but only because i&#039;ve had a good gym year and plan on making this my summer of random shirtlessness.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2209</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely not wearing the t-shirt.</description>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2207</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2208</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2221</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-3180</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-3181</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-3182</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-5824</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-5825</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: adam isn't here</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-5826</link>
		<dc:creator>adam isn't here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fabulous party...People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#039;ve left me totally excited for pride.  &lt;br/&gt;(but you won&#039;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fabulous party&#8230;People drinking in the streets! Booming music! Outrageous costumes!  shit zack, with a comment laying out the problems you have with pride, you&#8217;ve left me totally excited for pride.  <br />(but you won&#8217;t convince me to wear one of those t-shirts)</p>
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		<title>By: Parker</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2206</link>
		<dc:creator>Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while michael and zack are good friends of mine and i agree with them in most cases, i must say i tend to agree more with thos criticizing this post.  i will not say i &quot;love&quot; pride but it means a lot to a lot of people and i have always had fun on pride weekend.  i don&#039;t know what it does to further acceptance among the community at large but it is what it is.  i&#039;m all for TNG doing something for pride (although i think attacking the rainbow flag by having a grey flag would be suprememely offensive to many people), i hope it is something positive and not something that attacks pride-lovers no matter how they dress, what they listen to, etc.  i&#039;ll pitch in in any way i can . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while michael and zack are good friends of mine and i agree with them in most cases, i must say i tend to agree more with thos criticizing this post.  i will not say i &#8220;love&#8221; pride but it means a lot to a lot of people and i have always had fun on pride weekend.  i don&#8217;t know what it does to further acceptance among the community at large but it is what it is.  i&#8217;m all for TNG doing something for pride (although i think attacking the rainbow flag by having a grey flag would be suprememely offensive to many people), i hope it is something positive and not something that attacks pride-lovers no matter how they dress, what they listen to, etc.  i&#8217;ll pitch in in any way i can . . .</p>
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		<title>By: The Gayographer</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2205</link>
		<dc:creator>The Gayographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socrates: I&#039;m just saying it&#039;s not inspiring to me.&lt;br/&gt; me: i dont know....&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: I&#039;m saying I want more.&lt;br/&gt; me: no you are also saying that it shouldnt be inspiring to other&lt;br/&gt;and that others should want more&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: I&#039;m asking people to question their inspiration&lt;br/&gt; me: fair enough&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: people who take that as a threat obviously haven&#039;t thought about it.&lt;br/&gt;and are just along for the ride w/o thinking about things&lt;br/&gt;TNG is all about questioning the status quo&lt;br/&gt; me: we have been handed a culture based on a couple generations of men who live in close urban quarters trying to escape from mainstream&lt;br/&gt;i guess I just don&#039;t think the baby can be tossed out with the bathwater&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: I&#039;m not tossing anything out.  I&#039;m suggesting that maybe the baby has grown up and wants to take a fucking shower!!!&lt;br/&gt; me: OK&lt;br/&gt;I understand what you are getting at&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: make sense.  just asking for options where I can celebrate pride doing things that don&#039;t make me feel shameful&lt;br/&gt; me: what makes you feel shameful&lt;br/&gt;the corporate part...that is a relatively recent addition&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: the corporate part, the sexualization of it all&lt;br/&gt; me: well it is about sex&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: the dumb cawing drunk boy douchebags celebrating but not knowing why or what.&lt;br/&gt;no, it&#039;s about acceptance&lt;br/&gt; me: acceptance of sex&lt;br/&gt;even 10 years ago, if you are going to be ostracized and ridiculed over who you want to have sex with&lt;br/&gt;then you are sure as shit going to have a lot of it&lt;br/&gt;and try to break the the rules of the sexual culture that is doing the ridiculing and ostracization&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: well, if you know why pride is important, post it as a comment to my post&lt;br/&gt; me: I guess I look at it as more of an acknowledgments of our roots rather than as an expression of our future.  think of it as 4th of july fireworks for gays&lt;br/&gt; Socrates: sure, that&#039;s fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socrates: I&#8217;m just saying it&#8217;s not inspiring to me.<br /> me: i dont know&#8230;.<br /> Socrates: I&#8217;m saying I want more.<br /> me: no you are also saying that it shouldnt be inspiring to other<br />and that others should want more<br /> Socrates: I&#8217;m asking people to question their inspiration<br /> me: fair enough<br /> Socrates: people who take that as a threat obviously haven&#8217;t thought about it.<br />and are just along for the ride w/o thinking about things<br />TNG is all about questioning the status quo<br /> me: we have been handed a culture based on a couple generations of men who live in close urban quarters trying to escape from mainstream<br />i guess I just don&#8217;t think the baby can be tossed out with the bathwater<br /> Socrates: I&#8217;m not tossing anything out.  I&#8217;m suggesting that maybe the baby has grown up and wants to take a fucking shower!!!<br /> me: OK<br />I understand what you are getting at<br /> Socrates: make sense.  just asking for options where I can celebrate pride doing things that don&#8217;t make me feel shameful<br /> me: what makes you feel shameful<br />the corporate part&#8230;that is a relatively recent addition<br /> Socrates: the corporate part, the sexualization of it all<br /> me: well it is about sex<br /> Socrates: the dumb cawing drunk boy douchebags celebrating but not knowing why or what.<br />no, it&#8217;s about acceptance<br /> me: acceptance of sex<br />even 10 years ago, if you are going to be ostracized and ridiculed over who you want to have sex with<br />then you are sure as shit going to have a lot of it<br />and try to break the the rules of the sexual culture that is doing the ridiculing and ostracization<br /> Socrates: well, if you know why pride is important, post it as a comment to my post<br /> me: I guess I look at it as more of an acknowledgments of our roots rather than as an expression of our future.  think of it as 4th of july fireworks for gays<br /> Socrates: sure, that&#8217;s fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2204</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Smergio.  I embedded that video above.</description>
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		<title>By: smergio</title>
		<link>http://thenewgay.net/2008/04/pride.html#comment-2203</link>
		<dc:creator>smergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i used to feel similarly about pride. that is until i watched harvey fierstein do a monologue on pride on the show &quot;in the life&quot; and made me feel like a huge ass.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_OQeA3GiRw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i used to feel similarly about pride. that is until i watched harvey fierstein do a monologue on pride on the show &#8220;in the life&#8221; and made me feel like a huge ass.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_OQeA3GiRw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_OQeA3GiRw</a></p>
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